Friday, 24 November 2023

Quantum Particles Don’t Spin, Tunnel Through Walls, Or…

This essay is about how some of some of the analogies used in “popular science” to describe/explain quantum behaviour, events and objects may not actually be taken to be analogies by many — or even most — laypeople. It also argues that even when the analogies are taken to be analogies, then they still may not always be helpful. What’s more, it’s this conflation of analogies with (as it were) realities that’s partly —or even largely — responsible for making quantum events, behaviour and objects “weirder than you think”.

This Scientific American article is behind a paywall. So I haven’t actually read it. I’ve simply used the title and image from it — for reasons which will become obvious. [Also, see note 1.]
Not
‘here is a particle, there is a wave’
but
‘if we measure things like this, the quantum object behaves in a manner we associate with particles; but if we measure it like that, it behaves as if it’s a wave’
Not
‘the particle is in two states at once’
but
‘if we measure it, we will detect this state with probability X, and that state with probability Y’.”

— Philip Ball. [This passage can be found here.]


(i) Introduction
(ii) The Film Tenet Takes Scientific Liberties
(iii) Jim Al-Khalili on Why Electrons Aren’t Weird
(iv) Jim Al-Khalili on Quantum Tunnelling
(v) Conclusion: Quantum Weirdness Still Remains

Theoretical physicist and broadcaster Jim Al-Khalili spends some time telling his readers (in his book Life on the Edge: The Coming of Age of Quantum Biology) that particles aren’t like “billiard balls”, or that particle “spin” isn’t like, say, a spinning top. Yet he then uses words like “weird” and “counterintuitive” when describing the very same quantum events (or “behaviour”) and objects.

The argument in this essay is that the weirdness and counter-intuitiveness are at least partly a result of seeing quantum phenomena in these (analogical) ways.

As another example of this, it’s odd that immediately after Al-Khalili questions — and even rejects — the belief that electrons are “tiny classical particles”, he then states that

“if you behave like an atomic nucleus, then you would sometimes be able to pass, ghostlike, straight through a solid wall”.

Of course, there are no solid walls at the subatomic scale, and “you” could never “behave like an atomic nucleus”. Indeed, even when the words “solid wall”, “you”, and “ghostlike” are used in a purely analogical way, that usage may still be unhelpful. Or, at the very least, the analogies need to be taken for what they truly are — i.e., simply analogies.

All that said, perhaps I’m being too precious here.

Perhaps laypeople (at least the ones who that think about these things) don’t take these analogies to be anything other than… analogies.

So it can be admitted that there’s a danger of going farther and farther down a linguistic rabbit hole when discussing even the more careful descriptions of quantum phenomena (i.e., all those descriptions which exclude the mathematics). Indeed, all descriptions may — or even must — still include classical terms, analogies, metaphors, etc.

The Film Tenet Takes Scientific Liberties

Despite that qualification, after watching the film Tenet, I realised that even a director and writer who knows some science can still take liberties.

To offer one example.

Christopher Nolan conflates the abstract mathematics of “backwards causation” (as used in quantum mechanics) with human beings, etc. moving backward — and forward — in time.

In other words, Nolan applies what is true at the quantum scale to the classical scale. More correctly, the mathematics used at the quantum scale is then (as it were) made real at the classical scale. However, Jim Al-Khalili himself makes it clear (in various places) that he’s using analogies in his book. In the Nolan film, on the other hand, that isn’t the case. [See note 2.]

Yet it must be noted here that Christopher Nolan did admit to taking scientific liberties, despite having worked with the theoretical physicist Kip Thorne. (Thorne had previously offered advice on Nolan’s film Interstellar.) More relevantly, Nolan himself has said that

“Kip Thorne read the script and he helped me out with some of the concepts, though we’re not going to make any case for this being scientifically accurate”.

Of course, there’s been a long-running debate about whether or not there’s a firm (as the physicist Brian Greene put it) “line in the sand” which can be drawn between the quantum world and the classical world. Indeed, Jim Al-Khalil’s book, Life on the Edge: The Coming of Age of Quantum Biology (which is quoted later in this essay), is largely devoted to questioning this line in the sand as it has been set up between the wet science of biology and the hard science of quantum mechanics.

However, that isn’t really the issue here.

So are we back to Niels Bohr’s position?

Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg and Wolfgang Pauli.

The Danish physicist once wrote:

“It is decisive to recognize that, however far the phenomena transcend the scope of classical physical explanation, the account of all evidence must be expressed in classical terms. The argument is simply that by the word ‘experiment’ we refer to a situation where we can tell to others what we have done and what we have learned and that, therefore, the account of the experimental arrangement and of the results of the observations must be expressed in unambiguous language with suitable application of the terminology of classical physics.”

Bohr appears to have been arguing that we have no choice but to use classical terms in our descriptions and explanations of quantum phenomena.

Thus, Bohr’s words above seems to be a simple account of his more technical correspondence principle. This principle states (broadly speaking) that the behavior of systems described by quantum mechanics reproduce classical physics when it comes to large (what’s called) quantum numbers.

However, there’s a distinction to be made here between Bohr’s idea that (as it were) everything becomes classical when enough quantum numbers are involved, and using classical terms to refer to purely quantum phenomena. In Bohr’s case, then, things become classical when enough quantum numbers are involved. In the case of this essay, however, the central theme has nothing to do with quantum numbers or quantum phenomena becoming classical phenomena. It’s mainly about classical terms and analogies being used to refer to purely (purely?) quantum phenomena (i.e., phenomena with “small quantum numbers”).

Having said all that, the quote from Bohr above doesn’t itself seem to be a very particular (or technical) expression of the correspondence principle. Or at least Bohr didn’t explicitly — or even implicitly — refer to the importance and relevance of “large quantum numbers”. Instead, he appears to stick to more general announcements about the need for a “classical physical explanation”. Indeed, Bohr also stated that observations “must be expressed in unambiguous language with suitable application of the terminology of classical physics”.

So perhaps Bohr’s overall message was that even trained physicists (i.e., those who’re adept at the mathematics) still need “classical pictures” in order to understand what’s going on. And that may be because in physics it’s almost (or even literally) impossible to rely entirely on the mathematics.

In any case, since Bohr has just been mentioned, let’s now cite a counterblast… if not against Bohr’s own (as it were) classicism, then against Schrödinger’s.

Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrödinger and Wolfgang Pauli.

Werner Heisenberg once appeared to argue (some nine decades ago) that no classical words, descriptions or visualisations will ever accurately (or even at all) capture quantum phenomena.

In even stronger terms, this is what Heisenberg once wrote in a 1926 letter:

“The more I think of the physical part of the Schrödinger theory, the more detestable I find it. What Schrödinger writes about visualization makes scarcely any sense, in other words, I think it is shit.”

That passage is from a letter to Wolfgang Pauli. Pauli is also relevant here when it comes to his take (at least at one point in his career) on “spin” .

According to the philosopher Michela Massimi:

“People who came after [Wolfgang Pauli] introduced the term electro-spin. A young PhD student from Columbia called Ralph Kronig said that maybe we can interpret the two-valuedness by thinking of the electron as a spinning top that can be spun clockwise or anti-clockwise, and that gives the two values, plus one half and minus one half. Pauli, we heard, dismissed that idea as witty nonsense but, soon afterwards, two Dutch-American physicists, George Uhlenbeck and Samuel Goudsmit, published a paper introducing the idea of the electro-spin.”

The important words in the passage above are the following: “Ralph Kronig said that maybe we can interpret the two-valuedness by thinking of the electron as a spinning top [].” More precisely, the important word is “interpret”. Thus, even though Wolfgang Pauli said that such an “idea” is “witty nonsense”, that didn’t mean — even at this point in his career — that he also believed the term “spin” didn’t have a use in physics.

Jim Al-Khalili on Why Electrons Aren’t Weird

Jim Al-Khalili, in the following passage, tells us why the behaviour of electrons is not weird:

[Electrons] should not therefore be regarded as moving and bouncing about like tiny classical particles, despite the fact that they are still treated this way in many standard biochemistry texts that continue to use the ‘solar system’ model of the atom.”

Al-Khalili then cites his own (or simply one) alternative “representation of electrons in an atom”. That is one of a

“spread-out, wavy cloud of ‘electronness’ surround[ing] the tiny nucleus, the ‘cloud of probability’ []”.

What Al-Khalili then concludes seems almost obvious.

He tells us that

[i]t is perhaps not surprising [] electron waves [i.e., not particle-like electrons] should be passing through walls”.

It may seem odd that “standard biochemistry texts continue to use the the ‘solar system’ model of the atom”. However, that oddness may depend on various things.

Since the late 1920s, that solar (or Bohr) model has been largely rejected — at least by physicists. (Even school kids are warned about the model here.) Yet many of the very same scientists who reject its (as it were) literal truth may still be happy to use it in order to help visualisation and/or understanding.

In terms of “a spread-out, wavy cloud of ‘electronness’”, and also the “‘cloud of probability’”.

It may be hard for many laypersons to make sense of these statements. What’s more, how is moving from classical terms such as “particle” and “solar system” to the classical term “cloud” any better?

It’s also odd that immediately after Al-Khalili questions — and even rejects — the idea that electrons are “tiny classical particles”, he then uses the problematic word “barrier” in the context of quantum tunneling. (It is here that the linguistic rabbit hole arises again.)

More particularly, what is the physical reality of this cloud of probability and electronness? Indeed, is there any physical reality here at all? Alternatively, are we talking purely about (abstract) mathematics?

Surely that latter option can’t be the case.

It would mean that the maths is all about the maths .

Alternatively put, it would mean that the maths isn’t about — or a description of — anything that isn’t itself maths.

Jim Al-Khalili on Quantum Tunnelling

Jim Al-Khalili also offers his readers a similar warning about quantum tunnelling. He writes:

“Although it would be wrong to think that quantum tunnelling entails the leaking through barriers of physical waves; rather, it is due to abstract mathematical waves that provide us with the probability of instantaneously finding the quantum particle on the other side of the barrier.”

Yes, Al-Khalili explicitly states that “it would be wrong to think that quantum tunnelling entails the leaking through barriers of physical waves”.

So does that mean that there’s no literal tunnelling at all?

Alternatively and at the very least, is Al-Khalili basically stating that there’s nothing equivalent to tunnelling (as it would occur at the “classical” scale) that’s going on at the quantum scale? In other words, is there no equivalent of, say, tunnelling through a six-foot-thick gold wall with a wooden spoon — despite the hype? Less dramatically, is there even an equivalent of simply tunnelling through the ground with a wooden spoon into your next-door-neighbour’s living room?

In technical terms.

It’s certainly the case that when tackling quantum tunnelling, what we’re partially (or even mainly) dealing with is probability — or what’s called a probability wave. Thus, on this reading at least, the wave is literally abstract — i.e., not a wave at all! Thus, the word “wave” is a colourful way of describing an abstract mathematical function.

Basically, these particles (or waves) — unlike snooker balls, etc. — can, with a small probability, tunnel to the other side of a “barrier”.

The important point here is that we’re dealing with quantum waves or particles. Or, at the very least, waves or particles as they’re seen in quantum mechanics. Thus, because we’re dealing with waves or particles (though perhaps not only because), then no probability of a particle or wave tunnelling across a barrier can ever be zero.

So, in the concrete terms of quantum tunnelling, the probability of a given particle (or wave) being “found” on the opposite side of a given barrier is not zero.

It could happen.

Indeed, it often does.

(Actually, isn’t it possible that a snooker ball could do so too?)

Conclusion: Quantum Weirdness Still Remains

It can be freely admitted that quantum (to use classical words) objects and events are “weird” in their own unique ways. However, they aren’t weird simply because they do things that classical objects don’t do.

Readers shouldn’t expect quantum events and objects to behave like classical objects and events. However, when people do attempt to squeeze quantum square shapes into classical round holes (or vice versa), then, sure, things do indeed get weird!

To put that another way.

When we use the same words we use to describe, say, playing snooker to describe what happens at the quantum scale, then no wonder things become weird. Indeed, this is almost like expecting a lice or virus to behave (entirely) like a dog — or even like a human being.

In addition. Although this issue isn’t all about size, it must be stated that particles at the quantum scale are at a level that is fantastically smaller than our snooker ball. In terms of detail, a sheet of paper is about six orders of magnitude thicker than an atom. Now think about how much “thicker” a snooker ball is to a sheet of paper. (100,000,000 atoms would stretch along the width of your fingernail.)

As for Al-Khalili’s barrier through which the particle/wave tunnels.

Usually, this tunneling only happens when it comes to barriers of thickness around nth nanometres or smaller. (A nanometre is equal to one billionth of a metre.)

To sum up.

Let’s happily accept weirdness in the sense that weird things really do happen in the quantum “world”. However, let’s not make things even weirder (or weird in the wrong ways) by expecting apples to be oranges.


Notes:

(1) Regarding the main image which opens this essay. Many physicists and other scientists emphasise the “weirdness” of quantum mechanics in order to sell their subject to the general public. They believe that most people won’t be interested in physics if they don’t “sex it up”. They may be right. They may also sex up their own work in order to sell more copies of their articles and books.

(2) The processes or events involving subatomic particles, their interactions, etc. within a specific experiment (or within a given sample space) can be reversed. However, if a football match were to be reversed, then things would be very different. Yet even though viewers would quickly note the time reversal of a football match (i.e., if that reversed match were ever made real), then it still wouldn’t go against any of the laws of physics.

In the film Tenet, “time travel” is tied to entropy.

The problem (or simple fact) is that although a fridge does “reverse entropy” (or ‘Negentropy’), it only does so in a “local” or insulted environment (i.e., within an enclosed system). In other words, a refrigerator alone — and even every fridge on the planet — can’t reverse the entropy of the Universe or even a space larger than the refrigerator itself. And neither does a single fridge — even in its own local space — make time run backwards.

That said, this entirely depends on what we take time to be in the first place.

Saturday, 18 November 2023

Physicist Paul Davies States: “This universe is either a mystery, or it’s absurd.”

In his popular books, the physicist Paul Davies uses various rhetorical and/or vague words and phrases in philosophically-important contexts. This essay argues that such words and phrases actually help generate and publicise his own theory of cosmic “purpose”. They also help generate the scientific and philosophical problems Davies believes both he and his opponents must tackle.

(i) Introduction
(ii) Pedantry?
(iii) Examples of Paul Davies’s Rhetoric, Etc.
(iv) Our Universe Must Produce Life and Mind?

In basic terms, the main problem with Paul Davies’s claims and positions (or, more particularly, his belief in a cosmic “purpose”) is that he uses various words and phrases loosely, vaguely and/or rhetorically in philosophically-important contexts. These are words and phrases he’d never use in his technical physics papers.

Perhaps Davies would freely admit this. After all, he knows that he’s writing what’s called “popular science”.

In any case, in the books in which Davies discusses (cosmic) “purpose”, it can be assumed that he’d never claim to be doing actual physics. Instead, he may claim to be doing two things:

(1) Writing about physics and cosmology. 
(2) Philosophising
about physics and cosmology.

To spell things out.

Writing about physics isn’t physics. And philosophising about physics isn’t physics either. (Again, there’s a good chance that Davies would accept these statements — at least to some degree.)

So there’s no problem at all with Davies philosophising about physics and cosmology. That’s what (obviously) philosophers also do. Indeed, there’s no problem with scientists themselves doing philosophy either. (The problem often works in the opposite direction when scientists claim — if sometimes implicitly — that there aren’t any philosophical components to their scientific theories and statements at all.)

One other problem is that because Davies is a physicist, then that may mean that many of his readers (especially those who’re sympathetic to his views) will take all the words in his popular books to be actual physics. Yet, again, his books are mainly about physics and physical cosmology. And they also include a certain amount of philosophising about physics and physical cosmology.

So it must be said here that this essay isn’t an attempt to go through Davies’s books looking for rhetoric, vagueness, etc. (I use rhetoric myself.) Instead, the argument here is that such rhetorical, vague and loose words and phrases are vital to Davies’s overall philosophical position.

Pedantry?

It can be freely admitted that there is a problem with focussing too much on the actual (or precise) words Paul Davies uses. Specifically, there’s a danger of being “pedantic”. Worse, there’s a danger of being like those “boring” Oxbridge linguistic philosophers of the 1950s. [See here.]

It also needs to be said that many of those scientists who take diametrically opposed views to Davies’s own also use rhetorical and vague terms and phrases in their popular books. (Again, terms they’d never use in their physics papers.)

Take, for example, the following passage from the American theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg (1933–2021):

“It is almost irresistible for humans to believe that we have some special relation to the universe, that human life is not just a more-or-less farcical outcome of a chain of accidents reaching back to the first three minutes, but that we were somehow built in from the beginning [].”

[These words can be found in Weinberg’s book The First Three Minutes. See also my Life and the Universe are Neither Meaningless nor Meaningful’.]

Without spoon-feeding the reader, the relevant words above are “farcical outcome”. Indeed, Weinberg then goes on to state that the universe is “hostile”.

Interestingly enough, the passage above comes immediately before Weinberg expressed his very-often-quoted view that

[t]he more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless”.

Here the relevant word is “pointless”.

So isn’t Weinberg himself falling into the same trap as those religious people he’s arguing against? That is, why accept the binary opposition set up between the universe being “comprehensible” and the universe being “pointless” at all?

Actually, Weinberg inverts the religious argument here.

In other words, the religious argument has it that because the Universe is comprehensible, then surely that must be because God has made it so. More correctly, God is responsible for the (human) minds that do the comprehending.

Alternatively, Paul Davies himself believes that the Universe is comprehensible primarily because it has a “purpose”.

Weinberg, on the other hand, believes that the Universe's comprehensibility makes it (only seem?) pointless

It’s worth saying here that Weinberg explained (in the book Dreams of a Final Theory) his earlier controversial statement in the following way:

“As we have discovered more and more fundamental physical principles, they seem to have less and less to do with us.”

Yet Davies (despite him playing down his own anthropocentrism) wants cosmology to have more and more “to do with us”.

Weinberg, on the other hand, seems to be arguing that physics — even theoretical physics — should do the job of making things less profound and mysterious, not more so.

Weinberg also wrote the following:

“As long as we don’t know the fundamental rules, we can hope that we’ll find something like a concern for human beings, say, or some guiding divine plan built into the fundamental rules.”

However:

[W]hen we find out that the fundamental rules of quantum mechanics and some symmetry principles are very impersonal and cold, then it’ll have a very demystifying effect.”

Ironically, Weinberg referred to the time when Davies received a million-dollar prize for “advancing the public understanding of God and spirituality” from the John Templeton Foundation. [See my ‘Physicist Paul Davies’s Contributions to the Advancement of Religion, As Seen By Father Mariano Artigas Weinberg’.] Weinberg said:

“I was thinking of cabling [Paul] Davies and saying, ‘Do you know of any organization that is willing to offer a million-dollar prize for work showing that there is no divine plan?’”

Anyway, to get back on the track of those loose, vague and/or rhetorical words and phrases.

Examples of Paul Davies’s Rhetoric, Etc.

Surely Paul Davies stating that “the existence of this particular universe is either a mystery, or it is absurd” is a silly binary opposition. That said, if readers do accept this opposition in the first place, then much else of what Davies states may well follow.

(The binary opposition is elsewhere spelled out as the claim that the universe is either “absurd” or it has a “purpose”.)

When talking about the Universe, Davies also says that it is (or it at least it may be) “self-explaining” and a “self-creating system”. Clearly (at least to me), these words don’t belong to physics or to physical cosmology. Indeed, even if one accepts the arguments that Davies has offered his readers, then many of his statements and words still wouldn’t belong to physics and physical cosmology.

Another example from Davies is the statement that “perhaps existence doesn’t get bestowed from the outside”.

This is a very odd reference to existence.

Existence and the nature of existence are usually deemed to be ontological issues. More particularly, you certainly won’t find the word “existence” used in physics papers — at least not in Davies’s philosophically heavy sense.

Here’s another rhetorical statement.

Davies tells us that “some minds are capable of understanding the universe”. He then adds that other people (i.e., his “atheists”) take this understanding to be “yet another fluke”…

Well, that depends.

If the word “fluke” means not by God’s arrangement, then “some minds” understanding the universe surely must be a “fluke”. (That’s the outright monotheistic position.)

However, Davies’s doesn’t believe in what he calls the “Abrahamic God”. So, on his own terms, if such an understanding isn’t the result of some (non-monotheistic) cosmic purpose, then, again, it must be a fluke.

Yet the word “fluke” is very much like Davies’ other rhetorical word (which he uses a lot) “absurd”. (This word has already been mentioned.)

So do the words “fluke” and “absurd” mean “not necessary” in Davies’s eyes?

If that’s the case, then what would it be for “life and mind” to be necessary?

Is it that we have flukes and absurdities by virtue of the fact that there is no God? Alternatively, do we have flukes and absurdities if we don’t accept Davies’s cosmic purpose?

Of course, some physicists have noted the possibility (or reality) that the laws, constants, etc. we have are the only ones that could bring bring about our Universe. [See here.] Indeed, Davies himself speaks about the Universe’s “self-explanation” and “self-creation”. So perhaps it is in these places where we can find the necessity that Davies is looking (or yearning) for.

Let’s go into a little detail here.

Our Universe Must Produce Life and Mind?

Paul Davies states the following words:

“In this theory [actually, Davies accepts this theory], the bio-friendliness of the universe arises from an overarching law or principle that constrains the universe/multiverse to evolve towards life and mind. It has the advantage of ‘taking life seriously’ [].”

There’s a problem with knowing what the words “an overarching law or principle that constrains the universe/multiverse to evolve towards life and mind” mean. Some readers may believe that Davies has gone into detail elsewhere. However, that’s not really the case. (Not that I’ve read everything Davies has written.)

Grammatically, the words “constrains the universe to evolve towards” are problematic or at least vague.

Does they mean that the universe must evolve toward “life and mind”?

Alternatively, could these words mean that the universe is (as it were) free not to evolve toward life and mind? That is, even though the Universe has all the ingredients required to evolve toward life and mind, then it still might not have done so.

Anthropically, the Universe obviously must have all the ingredients required to evolve toward life and mind!

More particularly, even if the Universe does have all these necessary(?) ingredients, then it still needn’t have led to the minds of, specifically(!), Homo sapiens — or even to the minds of any species (or beings) around today.

Similarly with life.

Even if the Universe has always had all the ingredients required to bring about life (which, by definition or anthropically, it must have!), then the life it could have evolved to might have been very different to life as it is.

To repeat. Wasn’t it possible that even if the Universe has always had all the ingredients needed to move toward life and mind, then it still might not have done so?

After all, for over 3 billion years, the Universe hadn’t evolved toward life. As for mind, it took billions of years longer (i.e., at least if life and mind on earth are taken to be unique).

Consequently, doesn’t this (seemingly?) extreme contingency work against any religious interpretation of these facts?

What’s more, these possibilities seem to make Davies’s ideas less highfalutin and grand. And, indeed, surely they should make Davies’s views less appealing to those people who have religious views and proclivities.

To sum up.

If we accept the extreme contingency of life and mind (alongside happily accepting that the Universe must still have had all the ingredients needed for life and mind from the very beginning), then is there still something more to all this? More relevantly, is there still something genuinely purposeful in the Universe or nature?


Note

(1) Paul Davies is not a Christian. He’s not a follower of any other (to use his own words) “conventional religion” either. Indeed, Davies even says that his belief in a “directional principle” is a “far cry from the God of traditional monotheism”. However, Davies is still religious. Thus, Davies’s cosmic purpose may well be a far cry from the Abrahamic God, but it’s not a far cry from other notions of God, or from the beliefs of other religions dating back well over two thousand years. All this must mean that Davies is still betting on a non-Abrahamic horse in the very same religious race. [See my ‘Physicist Paul Davies’s Contributions to the Advancement of Religion, As Seen By Father Mariano Artigas’.]

Wednesday, 15 November 2023

Eric Weinstein’s Defence of “Religious Scientists”

Eric Weinstein’s words have been chosen because they capture the positions of what he himself calls “religious scientists”. He also articulates what these scientists say about their (supposedly) “atheistic” critics. Weinstein also sees these religious scientists as today’s “heretics”. Indeed, he sees himself as a heretic too.

[Eric Weinstein’s words are taken from an interview with Dr Brian Keating on YouTube. I’ve edited various spoken words in order to make them a little easier to read and understand. The video interview is called ‘Richard Dawkins is SUSPICIOUS’.]


(i) Introduction
(ii) Eric Weinstein as a Heretic
(iii) Weinstein on Religious Scientists as Today’s Heretics
(iv) Weinstein on Atheistic Scientists

Eric Weinstein is an American hedge fund director and podcast host. He has a PhD in mathematical physics from Harvard.

One problem for me personally is that Weinstein focuses on both biology (or evolution) and intelligent design in the interview, whereas the religious scientists I’ve previously written about have focused on physics and physical cosmology. Indeed, Paul Davies (who I’ve also written a few essays about) is strongly against intelligent design (at least as it’s taken in biology). [See note 1.]

What’s more, when Weinstein discusses bait fish, mussels, sexual reproduction, etc. it’s hard to tie all that to religious science. It’s even hard to tie it to intelligent design as it’s ordinarily understood. [See note 2.] And that’s one reason why I won’t be commenting on these specific words from the interview. [Extracts from these biology-based sections of this interview can be found at the end of this essay.]

So, instead, I shall focus on Weinstein’s claims that religious scientists are today’s “heretics”.

Eric Weinstein as Heretic

As just stated, Eric Weinstein’s main theme is that today’s religious scientists are what he calls “heretics”.

Weinstein sees himself as a heretic too . If a heretic in physics, rather than in the biology and/or evolutionary theory he focusses upon in this interview with Dr Brian Keating.

In terms of a specific example, we have Weinstein’s very own theory of everything, which he calls ‘Geometric Unity’. [See here too.] Many physicists (at least those who’ve taken note of it) have been sceptical about — and critical of — this theory. [See ‘Weinstein’s theory of everything is probably nothing’, and ‘How to test Weinstein’s provocative theory of everything’.]

Weinstein also coined the term “intellectual dark web”, which was also a place for self-styled heretics.

As it is, I’m not really qualified to offer any wisdom (or any time) on Weinstein’s theory of ‘Geometric unity’.

It’s now worth saying that this isn’t an essay against scientific heresy. (I’m all in favour of scientific heretics.) So it entirely depends on the particular heretic and his particular theories. In addition, later on in this essay it’s argued that those scientists Weinstein deems to be heretics (although he doesn’t name names) aren’t really heretics at all.

[Physicist and mathematician Roger Penrose has been classed as a “heretic” by various commentators, and I much admire him. See note 3.]

But first things first.

A distinction needs to be made between the following:

(1) Those scientists who just happen to be religious.
(2) Those scientists who incorporate their religious views into their actual science.

Two other less-important distinctions can be added here:

(3) Those scientists whose religious views impact on their science with their being aware of it.
(4) Those scientists who deny that their religious views impact on their science even though, arguably, they clearly do.

Weinstein on Religious Scientists as Today’s Heretics

Giordano Bruno being burned at the stake.

Eric Weinstein himself specifically refers to — and defends — the scientists described in (2) above.

Firstly, he asks us these questions:

“If their religion informs their science, [then] what are we to make of that? Should religious scientists live under a cloud of suspicion? Is [their science] contaminated?”

Yet Weinstein also says that

“it’s very important to recognize that there are multiple ways of being a scientist who happens to be religious”.

Here the relevant words are “a scientist who happens to be religious”.

However, it’s clear that Weinstein really has (2) in mind because he immediately goes on to say that he’s

“coming into contact with higher-quality scientists motivated by religion”.

Here the relevant words are “scientists motivated by religion” (i.e., they don’t just happen to be religious).

So let’s firstly take the case of Rupert Sheldrake, who’s an English author and parapsychology researcher with a strong scientific background. (Sheldrake is known for his theory of morphic resonance.) He too sees himself as being a scientific “heretic”.

That word was originally used (very critically) about Sheldrake by someone else. Yet it’s very safe to say that Sheldrake has now happily and clearly adopted this designation for himself. [See here.]

The word “heretic” was used by the theoretical chemist, physicist and science writer John Royden Maddox in response to Sheldrake’s book A New Science of Life, which was published in 1981. (Maddox’s 1981 editorial — in Nature - is called ‘A book for burning?’.)

Since then, the word “heretic” has become very popular with many religious scientists and their defenders. Indeed, seeing religious scientists as heretics strikes many as being supremely ironic. [See my ‘Rupert Sheldrake’s Heretical Caricatures of Scientists and Science’.]

As for Eric Weinstein.

Weinstein goes into rhetorical mode with the following words:

“Galileo’s heresy [] [Religious scientists] are in some sense the heretics of today. And their reputations are burned at the stake.”

Can you really compare Weinstein’s religious scientists to Galileo and what happened to him?

What’s more, are they really heretics?

After all, there’s a big difference between being threatened with being burned alive, and not being threatened with being burned alive. Admittedly, Weinstein does concede this when he says that religious scientists are “not [Giordano] Bruno [ ] burned in 1600 in the square”.

No, contemporary religious scientists certainly are not Giordano Bruno.

Indeed, some of these religious scientists have large audiences and they’ve written best-selling books.

Sure, having huge audiences and writing best-selling books is still not the same as being accepted by Weinstein’s “the union of scientists”. However, it’s not the same what being threatened with being burned alive either.

In any case, simply having a view that other people don’t share doesn’t make you a heretic. Indeed, a scientist having a view that most other scientists don’t share doesn’t make that scientist a heretic either.

If this is the kind of thing that defines what a heretic is, then the world is populated by millions of heretics. Perhaps there’s even more heretics than non-heretics!

Weinstein also tells us that

“going toe to toe with some of these religious scientists is an eye opening experience because they are highly motivated”.

Weinstein does argue against what may be called crude religious scientists, not against sophisticated ones.

He portrays (some) crude religious scientists in the following way:

[] I’m honestly sympathetic with the Dawkins perspective. I cannot stand what I’ve called ‘Jesus smuggling’, where you’re in some very careful argument, and you know you’ve set everything up, and then somebody sort of says, ‘Well, I just believe that God’s love pervades everything.’ You’re like, Oh, brother, I don’t really have to listen to us.”

Yet there’s no doubt that these sophisticated religious scientists are… well, still religious. More relevantly, they’re still (to use Weinstein’s own words) “motivated by religion”.

In more detail.

Weinstein tells us that religious scientists are “going to use the idea of purpose and a personal relationship with God” in their science. Indeed, that personal relationship with God

“give[s] them courage to question things that are essentially unquestionable within the union of scientists [and] that will get you thrown out of the union of scientists very quickly”.

What’s more:

“So what we’re talking about is relatively self-destructive scientists [who are] focused on science [and] who get their courage from religion, and some of their bearings and their focus [from religion].”

Weinstein adds:

“The religious scientists [] are willing to destroy themselves and their careers.”

Not only does God and religion inform the science of these religious scientists, it also informs how they deal with what Weinstein calls “atheistic scientists”.

So are such religious scientists really “self-destructive”?

After all, there are many religious scientists who keep their jobs as scientists, get their books published, become well-known, give seminars, etc. Sure, their ideas and theories are criticised by other scientists. And perhaps their more-explicitly religious science isn’t published in “mainstream” scientific journals. However, does all this really amount to these religious scientists being self-destructive?

Weinstein also tells us that the sophisticated religious scientists constitute “a population of people who agree to the rules of science”. He adds: “They’re not going to cheat on the rules of science because of Jesus [].”

Really?

Do all religious scientists “agree to the rules of science”? Most of them? Many of them? Or only some of them?

So doesn’t it all depend on not only the religious scientist discussed, but also on the actual content of his theories and ideas? Put that way, Weinstein will surely agree with this.

This means that Weinstein does seem to be generalising somewhat (if in a positive way) about religious scientists. Indeed, he generalises just as much as he claims “atheistic scientists” (or those who belong to “the union of scientists”) do when they talk about religious scientists.

As for those atheistic scientists.

Weinstein on Atheistic Scientists

Weinstein not only classes all the critics of the ideas and theories of religious scientists as “atheistic scientists”, he also paints them all as dogmatic, narrowminded and members of the same (rule-bound) “union”.

That position can be seen in the following passage:

“It’s the atheists, according to [religious scientists], who are led into error because they were trying to close the books desperately so as not to leave any gap large enough for a God to be smuggled into the canon of science.”

Weinstein seems to assume that it’s only what he calls “the atheists” who have a problem with the ideas and theories of religious scientists. In other words, Weinstein seems to believe that it’s true by definition that if a scientist has problems with what a religious scientist says (or with his theory), then that scientist must do so simply because he’s an atheist.

Perhaps such scientists have problems with the religious scientist’s ideas and theories without them needing to think too deeply about their own atheism — that’s if they’re atheists in the first place!

Weinstein again focuses on atheists when he says that

“what we have to say is that many of these [religious scientists] are making points that atheists wish would go away”.

Again, are the arguments and scientific details used against the theories and ideas of religious scientist really all down to the atheism of those scientists who offer those arguments against them?

Weinstein makes a similar point when he tells us that

“what do you get from the atheistic science community is - we will have no such discussion”.

He also tells us that

“many of those [religious scientists] are responsible for prying the books open when [Richard] Dawkins and company wished to close them prematurely”.

Weinstein makes it seem (or he hints) that as soon as a scientist finds out that another scientist is religious, then at that immediate point he rejects everything the religious scientist says without any argument, discussion or debate. More importantly, such scientists don’t scientifically analyse the religious scientist’s claims or theories.

Yet that’s simply not true.

There may be some non-religious scientists like that.

However, other scientists have gone into great detail as to why they have problems with the ideas and theories of religious scientists.

It can even be conceded that there are scientists who take their atheism very seriously. However, Weinstein seems to believe that having a problem with the ideas and theories of religious scientists makes a scientist an automatic member of the “atheistic science community” (or an automatic member of “the union of scientists”).

Yet what if atheism is more or less irrelevant to most of the critics of the ideas and theories of religious scientists?

Yes, there are plenty of scientific and philosophical reasons to have problems with intelligent design, cosmic purpose”, etc. which don’t need to be specifically atheistic in nature — or even atheistic at all. Unless, again, this is true by Weinstein’s own definition. That is, does Weinstein believe that a scientific critic of the ideas and theories of religious scientists simply must belong to the atheistic science community?

In any case, there’s no real (or actual) “atheistic science community” in the first place. Sure, there are scientists who just happen to be atheists. Yet, as seen, there are also scientists who just happen to be religious.


Notes

(1) In a subchapter called ‘Intelligent design in biology is magic, not science’ (in the book The Goldilocks Enigma: Why is the Universe Just Right for Life?), Paul Davies writes:

“One of the confusions surrounding the Intelligent Design movement’s propaganda is a failure to distinguish between the *fact* of evolution and the *mechanisms* of evolution. Design proponents often cite squabbles among biologists as signs that ‘Darwinism is in trouble’. [] The point, however, is that the theory has clearly defined and testable consequences, which qualifies it as being a scientific theory; the same cannot be said for Intelligent Design.”

A little later on, Davies states the following:

“Further confusion in the intelligent design discussion often arises from a failure to distinguish between the *evolution* of life and the *emergence* of life — how life got started in the first place. Darwin himself pointedly omitted any reference to life’s origins.”

Interestingly enough, Davies tells us about a classic Intelligent Design example which is very similar to Eric Weinstein’s own (see quotes below). Davies writes:

“A current favourite with the so-called Intelligent Design movement in the United States is the bacterial flagellum, an ingenious-looking device that propels the cell by a rotary action using a little motor. This system is claimed to have irreducible complexity.”

It’s ironic, then, that some scientists have accused Paul Davies of having ID beliefs or proclivities himself. (See ‘Hey, Paul Davies — Your ID Is Showing’.) And on that subject, see my own essays on Davies: ‘A Religious Physics and Cosmology for the 21st Century?’, ‘Physicist Paul Davies’s Deep — or Specious! — Questions About Life, the Universe and Everything’, and ‘Physicist Paul Davies’s Faith in His Idea That Science is Founded on Faith’.

(2) Eric Weinstein does rely (at least in this interview) on two main arguments from intelligent design: irreducible complexity and specified complexity.

Intelligent design is usually tied to the existence of God, but Weinstein appears to reject this. In addition, one can have problems with certain aspects of Darwinian evolution or the “neo-Darwinian synthesis” (as noted by Paul Davies above) and still keep well clear of intelligent design.

(3) Many “mainstream” scientists — including Roger Penrose — are classed as “heretics”. [See here.] This hints that the term has become a cliché.

Eric Weinstein on Darwin and Evolution

These quotes are from the same interview with Brian Keating:

[] Many of these [religious scientists] do not believe that there’s a persuasive case for random mutation as being the major engine of selection. They believe that it is simply improbable [].
[] There is no way you can tell me that that isn’t an intelligently designed system, and it’s the bass that is the intelligence. And the bass is specifically designing its own fooling [and] its own self-deception because the dumber bass have fell for this trick before and smarter bass didn’t fall for it. And that pushes the selective pressures in order to produce this.
[] both of these are systems in which that which is dumber is fooling that which is smarter using the intelligence, the bounded intelligence of the thing being fooled to intelligently design a trap. [] If I make that point and I say, actually intelligent design is all through the animal kingdom, it’s just not what you think.
[] So endogenous intelligent design is essential to Darwinian theory within [the] context of perception mediated selection.
[] It is very clear that when you have various breeds of dog, they are intelligently designed. When you produce a mule from a donkey and a horse, that is not a natural animal. You are producing an intelligently designed animal when you create orchid varieties.
“In some cases, perception-mediated selection is a form of endogenous design, which is intelligent because it is mediated through perception. It’s a good place to study it because the words intelligent design have been made radioactive. And so what we’re arguing about is — should the books have been closed with the neo-Darwinian synthesis, or should they have been left open?”